The Ww2 Experiment

[Feuersturm 0]

Why did net soviet losses drop? Would they not rise?

[DrShrinker 0]

He is pushing south on you Neo, you better dig in like an Alabama tick. :P

 

 

 

the updates, great stuff

[Korona 0]

***top of Neo's post***

 

Why did net soviet losses drop? Would they not rise?

-Firestorm

 

Losses don't drop Fire : July 14th: losses: 1621 July 21th: 2049

[Neo 0]

For the week finishing on july 28th, Germans and Soviets made the following strategic moves:

 

9th Panzer (last Army Group sSouth reserve) move to Rowne

 

11th Panzer move from Uman and join the Romanian 1st Armor division wich was merged with the StugAbt.190.

 

As we can see General von Abba is not pushing with his Army Group Center to Moscow but he choosed to build strong defense in the south near Odessa. His troops moves indicates he is planing a massive move to cross the Dniepper river and take Kharkov and his factories.

 

Soviets call back the 15th from Gomel to help in the south. 4th leave Kiev and retake Uman. For the first time in more than 1 month, the front line line has moved west and comrade Staline declared "This is the begining of the end for the fachist lil cocksuckers! "

 

It seems Joseph was the first to use this famous expression and from then, many used it trough the years...until recently (Hi Doc!) :D

 

Finally the Kharkov factory delivered 90 T-34 and 25 KV-1 to the 25th Mechanised Corps. Stay tuned, it could become very hot in Ukraine in a near future ;)

Edited March 16, 2007 by Neo

[DrShrinker 0]

nice touch adding the little flags representing ownership. ;)

 

Damn Neo, you got a lot of tanks this week.

Edited March 16, 2007 by DrShrinker

[Kaiser_Smeghead 0]

Why haven't you thrown the 1st mechanized corps into battle yet? Its the largest tank force on the map and all its doing is sitting near Leningrad? (unless you are just planning to use it as a reserve force in case things go bad.)

 

Also, how many other kinds of troops are in the different panzer divisions and mechanized corps? (infantry, armored cars, artillery, at guns, half tracks, etc)

 

If the soviets can drive the Germans back to pre Barbarossa lines, are you going to make another tournament of the soviet drive to Berlin?

 

I am definately going to watch this tournament closely. It makes me want to reinstall Blitz2 again. :)

[Neo 0]

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->nice touch adding the little flags representing ownership.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->-Doc

 

Yeah, this is Abba idea (he had this good idea but his armie will be defeated anyway!)

 

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Damn Neo, you got a lot of tanks this week.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> - Doc

 

Yes Doc...we follow the Soviet and German production schedule according to this table:

 

Good question! As you can see on the table above Kaiser, factories are very important for Soviets. and our rule about factories is the following:

 

Rule 5.6: "If a German division take control of a city near Kharkov or Leningrad, the production of Kharkov or Leningrad stops and the factory is relocated in Urals with delay in production. These delays are : 3 months without production. For the Stalingrad factory the production stops (and transfered to Urals) only if Germans take control of Stalingrad"

 

This means the 1st Mechanised Corps is the main force to protect Leningrad area. Also, this division has only 267 tanks in good condition to fight (40%) and has only 2 good tanks (1 KV-1 + 1 KV-2), all other tanks are BT or T-26 wich are pure scrap vs Germans tanks. In other words they can't compete against a single German division.

 

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, how many other kinds of troops are in the different panzer divisions and mechanized corps? (infantry, armored cars, artillery, at guns, half tracks, etc)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->-Kaiser

 

For Soviets the number of units in a Mechanised Corps include armor cars. We focus excusively on armor units division and infantry , artillery, half tracks are coming from the light factory (1 each) we have during games. For every game each player has 30k to spend the way he wants to.

 

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If the soviets can drive the Germans back to pre Barbarossa lines, are you going to make another tournament of the soviet drive to Berlin?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

-Kaiser

 

We talked about it Abba and i yesterday but if German are pushed back in Germany (yes it will happen <img src="http://www.derelictstudios.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> ) i could'nt see how Germans can succeed to defend their land if they failed to invade Russia first.

Edited October 12, 2010 by Neo

[Neo 0]

This photo just coming from the front: Germans troops (11th Panzer) retreating from Uman. Short after, the 4th Motorized Corps will take control of the city. German soldiers don't understand why they have to retreat from this city after they took it from Soviets (Soviet propaganda:Germans go home, your general is on the panic mod, he conquer cities and retreat short after! :D )

 

Edited March 16, 2007 by Neo

[Neo 0]

FRONT UPDATE AUGUST 4TH 1941

 

The 11th Panzer and the 1st Romanian armor division retake Uman and destroyed one of the best Soviet Mechanised Corps (4th).

 

Soviets were the first to attack but Germans builded a solid line of defense using 88mm AT guns. While Stukas were attacking the Soviets heavy tanks (KV-1 and KV-2), the 88mm stop waves of T-34 and BT, forcing Russians to retreat in Uman.

 

Once again the Luftwaffe and German paratroopers were the key to open the road for the Wehrmacht. Unable to counterattack the German position and under Luftwaffe non stop attacks, the Soviets were trapped in the city. Their lack of infantry (without mg they are not a match for the German troops) and their weak air cover (only few I-16) are the 2 main problems of Soviets Mechanised Corps since the war had started.

 

Despite the win the German tank losses were high (55 tanks) and Army Group South has lost 50% of his armor units in more than 1 month. The 9th and 16th Panzer took Karostene and the 4th Panzer merge with the 3rd Panzer.

 

On the Soviet side the 28th was moved to Rostov and the 27th still on the road to Stalingrad. The 25th got the 2 first BM-13 to defend the Dniepper river.

 

Photo from the German 88mm at the second battle of Uman

 

Edited March 19, 2007 by Neo

[AbbaZabba 0]

According to the BBC the Soviets loss of the 4th mechanized division has sent a jolt of panic and reality among the Russian ranks right up to the highest office. Classified sources say that Comrade Joseph Neo has locked the door on himself and hasn't been seen since, leaving his advisers and deputies impotent like his armies!

 

 

Their are unconfirmed rumors that Marshal Neo Lameofsky, leading the 4th mechanized had committed a fundamental basic error in his planning that a 1st grader would notice and was given the easy way out by Moscow.............

 

 

he shot himself in the face as the remainder of his troops dispersed in shame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Underground News Source (UNS) will bring you more updates.

 

 

:ph34r:

Edited March 19, 2007 by AbbaZabba

[Neo 0]

Haha! :lol: hehe ^_^ huh.. <_< ..welll..... you'll pay for this infamous propaganda :ph34r:

Edited March 20, 2007 by Neo

[Korona 0]

the BBC is not a fashist propaganda machine?! never! we will fight them on the beaches and in growing confidence and strength in the air(waves)!

[AbbaZabba 0]

the BBC is not a fashist propaganda machine?! never! we will fight them on the beaches and in growing confidence and strength in the air(waves)!

The BBC and its host country have joined the new world order.

[AbbaZabba 0]

If the soviets can drive the Germans back to pre Barbarossa lines, are you going to make another tournament of the soviet drive to Berlin?

-Kaiser

 

We talked about it Abba and i yesterday but if German are pushed back in Germany (yes it will happen ;) ) i could'nt see how Germans can succeed to defend their land if they failed to invade Russia first.

We were actually talking about Siberia and the Urals.

[AbbaZabba 0]

The UNS (Underground News Source) has obtained footage of Soviet propaganda to prop up its war effort in the back drop of rumors about the loss of the 4th Division.

 

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=848_1174511262

 

:ph34r:

[AbbaZabba 0]

......... & and here is what German troops are doing to Soviet troops on the battlefield.

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b62_1174505568

 

 

 

 

UNS out.

 

:ph34r:

[Neo 0]

Funny....play with your ball and during this time the Red Army is preparing his massive winter counter offensive

[Neo 0]

COSTLY WIN FOR ARMY GROUP NORTH

 

Last night the Army Group North resume push toward Leningrad after more than a 1 month break. The 1st and 6th Panzer division attacked the port of Riga wich was defended by the 12th Mechanised Corps (330 units, only 132 operables).

 

After suffering heavy losses at Kaunas, the 1st and 6th Panzer division were going to take Riga easily their opponent having only obsolete tanks (no T-34, no KVs).

 

But the Wehrmacht met tougher than expected resistance with unsuccessful attacks on the east and west part of the city defended by lines of AT guns and AA batteries.

 

 

As you can see, first Germans attacked the strong Soviet defense lines (east and west). The Soviets expected the Wehrmacht to attack in the gap between their 2 lines of defense and trap them with flank attacks. When Germans were defeated in their attempt to break trough the defensive lines, they regrouped their strenght and launched a massive attack in the gap.

 

The Soviet flank attacks were not enough to push back the invaders but they destroyed many panzers and force the Germans to stop their push and secure the central part of Riga.

 

On their side the Soviets did a good job against Luftwaffe attacks and most of the time the Wehrmacht fought without air cover.

 

After days of street fights, the city of Riga felt into the hands of the fachist but their losses was heavy (73% of their tanks lost) and their push toward Leningrad is probably stopped for a while :ph34r:

[DrShrinker 0]

Map looks familiar. :P

[Neo 0]

ah of course....i forgot to tell Riga map is a remake of the nice Desert Fox map Slick Willy and Dr. Shrinker made long time ago ;)

[DrShrinker 0]

After days of street fights, the city of Riga felt into the hands of the fachist but their losses was heavy (73% of their tanks lost) and their push toward Leningrad is probably stopped for a while

In other words, Neo kicked Abbas ass. lol

[AbbaZabba 0]

[Neo 0]

In other words, Neo kicked Abbas ass. lol

- Dr Shrinker

 

Well...i never kicked Abbas ass in a 1vs1 battle...but let say this was a symbolic victory for my Soviets troops considering he had much better tanks than i have.

 

I'm still thinking he is one of the toughest fighter on the battlefield but his weakest link is maybe that he is prone to choke under pression in a tourney formula like this.... ;) muhahaha...The faschist committed too many strategic mistakes to have a chance to conquer Russia ....(Soviet propaganda!) :D

Edited March 23, 2007 by Neo

[DrShrinker 0]

You may have lost the city Neo, but i think you won the battle.

(Allied propaganda!) ;)

[BoB 0]

Indeed, a Phyrric Victory! (3rd party press!)