flyby 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2006 I don't know why, but after viewing this on the evening news, sadness went through my hart. My old fear is turning reality: a civil war between Sunnis and Sijit is in the making... :( The Sijit are not going to let the destruction of one of their most sacred monuments without harsh reaction... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marshal.Zhukov. 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2006 My good lord. when will it all end i ask you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlckWyerve 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2006 Disappointing, but not very surprising. :\ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weston 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2006 Thats whats sad about it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feuersturm 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2006 (edited) EDIT: Removed for offesnive anti-americanism So in a quick statemnt: USA probable backed something like this to casue infighting among terrorists. Edited February 22, 2006 by {LD}Firestorm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torlek 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 EDIT: Removed for offesnive anti-americanism So in a quick statemnt: USA probable backed something like this to casue infighting among terrorists. Wha?????? Please excuse me, I'm going to have to come find you and beat you now. The Sunnis are THE PRIMARY ONES in the insurgency, they are the ones who HATE US. The Shi'ites aren't all that ticked at us, we kicked off the shackles of the Ba'ath party and freed them from the tyrrany of the minority. I'm also calling your post on the fact that it paints ALL muslims as terrorists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Accele 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 I wonder how the US would handle a civil war. I mean, what can you do in that situation? Who really wins? The terrorists/insurgency? I mean, getting the Americans to leave would be nice and all, but is it really worth wrecking your home? You can't really go on Al Jazeera and say "We have defeated the Americans, look how fucked up all of Iraq is now!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nox 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) That's absurd. EDIT: This was referring to Firestorm's post. Edited February 23, 2006 by Nox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IconOfEvi 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 It never should have been together. I thought quite early it should have been split up. Iraq was an invention of the British - we should have split it up and given the appropriate sections to appropriate country and make the Kurd reigon independent. Hell we coulda given some of the West to the Palestinians. Iraq is now expierencing civil war because of our hesitancy. <_< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nox 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Same thing would of happened. Many of the Iraqis themselves don't want it divided because the area they'd end up with would have no oil and thus no power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiser_Smeghead 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 I am not really surprised at all of this. I am certain it would have probably happened after the americans left. Separating the country apart would not have been to smart either. I think Turkey wouldn't stand the thought of an independent kurdistan, and the sunnis have always been against the separation of the country. And it wouldn't surprise me if the shiite regions would want some kind of union with the Iranians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyby 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 The Sunnis are THE PRIMARY ONES in the insurgency, they are the ones who HATE US. The Shi'ites aren't all that ticked at us, we kicked off the shackles of the Ba'ath party and freed them from the tyrrany of the minority. Incorrect.. You simplify the current complexity to what appears to be the most appropriated cause, because it suits the propaganda needs best. As it is, I can discern 3 types of insurgencies: -Foreign fighters, which organize within the borders of Iraq: Their goal is to harm the coalition forces, and especially the Americans. Although not all related to Al Quada, they seem to have a great sympathy for the movement. They are fighting a, ideology inspired war. -Sunni fighters: they are the ones that attack the Shijits by blowing up holy houses and killing "collaborators". Although not abandoned, they have shifted their attacks on US forces to collaborators, hoping to continuously destabilize the country. One result is that many Iraqi are starting to blame the USA for the lack of security. Another aspect is that they have great difficulty dealing with the change in power and fear to be marginalized, so they do anything to sabotage the democratic process that is attempted to be installed. -Shijit fighters: most actions against Sunnies are pure retribution actions, but the greatest danger comes from religious inspired insurgents, who will attack both Sunnies and Americans, based upon religious grounds. They view the US presence as an occupation and fall back upon the wrath of Allah to get rid of the "imperialistic pigs"...Most likely, they have ties with Iran. The Kurd seem to do pretty well on keeping a low profile, although there are clashes with the Sunni community over the ownership of certain towns. As I said before, you don't need that many ppl opposing you before you get a society that hardly functions. I estimate that only 0.1% of the Iraqi population is actually determined to fight. But that's more then enough to wreck havoc.. What I fear is that this attack will gain enough momentum to rally the deeply religious Shijit people against the Sunnies. People are getting to the saturation point where the lack of progress is eroding all good sense and irrational action seem more and more attractive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyby 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 As projected... :( CNN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feuersturm 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Dam i was hoping they could avoid that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarshalAlex 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Thay are MAD! I tell you! In last 3 months there are only BAD BAD news usually there are bad news but this! i dont know what to say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 As projected... :( CNN That's it. We've lost. Now it's time to get out of there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Accele 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 At least they gave democracy a try before they went back to the traditional Islamic way of solving problems: crazy wars. Maybe people were right, maybe they just don't want democracy. Maybe they just don't want to make amends, work together, rebuild etc. Maybe riots and violence is so engrained in them they can't go without it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarshalAlex 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 If we can only put them in a big football terrain (or a arena) and let them fight eachother! JK :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feuersturm 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) And whos to say everyone wants or need our way of society. Some societys dont work well with democracy. The way most people think is 'Well, they are a dictatorship ,so the people there probably want democracy'. If most of the coutnry wanted a democracy, they would have sent pleads to the UN. This didt happen, so our civiliaztions (Democracy) should let sleeping dogs lie. Whos to say our governemnt or way of doing things is the right way? Edited February 23, 2006 by {LD}Firestorm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rattuskid 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 There is no clear answer to this problem. Tensions between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds were actually quite low after the fall of Saddam, but two years later and still without independance, it seems the terror elements in their society are turning on each other. Spliting them up into seperate nations would seem to make sense, like how the former Yugoslavia now is, but it weaks them signicantly if Iran decides to flex it's conventional muscles in the region. The irony is we started this war over fears of new and extreme weapons, and it has turned into one fought fiercley by weapons we know little of how to disarm; AK-47s and rocks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stumpster 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 So it's going to degrade into something like this? Americans-Shoot anyone dangerous or that shot at you first. Sunni's-Kill Shittes (sp?) and Americans Shittes-Kill Sunni's and Americans Kurds-Somewhere in there...and kill Americans. Other random terrorists-Kill everyone in the name of Allah? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) Dear Iraqi Government, All your legitimacy are belong to us. Love, the Sunnis Edited February 24, 2006 by Monkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feuersturm 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 So it's going to degrade into something like this? Americans-Shoot anyone dangerous or that shot at you first. Sunni's-Kill Shittes (sp?) and Americans Shittes-Kill Sunni's and Americans Kurds-Somewhere in there...and kill Americans. Other random terrorists-Kill everyone in the name of Allah? No, itsl ike this.. American: Who the f*ck do we shoot, they all got weapons!! Sunni's-Kill Shittes and Americans Shittes-Kill Sunni's and Americans Kurds- Hide Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IconOfEvi 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) Both are right American - WTF (too many things to desc in a line) Sunnis - Kill Shiites, Kill Kurds, If Christians/Jews around, kill them, kill Americans, Kill anyone foreign, Kill crowded areas Shiites - Kill Sunnis, Kill Kurds, If Christians/Jews around, kill them, kill Amercians, Kill anyone foreign, Kill crowded areas Kurds - Leave me alone!! J N C - Get me outta here!! Iranians - Lets take over the country! Kill the Americans and the Jews!! And Firestorm...in dictatorships...the people can't send complaints to the UN... <_< Edited February 24, 2006 by IconOfEvi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mehman 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 At least they gave democracy a try before they went back to the traditional Islamic way of solving problems: crazy wars. Maybe people were right, maybe they just don't want democracy. Maybe they just don't want to make amends, work together, rebuild etc. Maybe riots and violence is so engrained in them they can't go without it... Oh please. They've been promised democracy and peace, the US came to give them democracy and peace. Now they have the danger that the car in front of you is a bomb and a country with nobody actually in the lead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites